Friday, May 06, 2005

Hear No Evil

"If you want to know about science, ask a scientist. If you want to know about faith, ask a minister," said Robert Hagen, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Kansas. "If I were to go into that hearing and tell them why the 'science' of intelligent design is wrong, I'd have to get into such detail that most people would just glaze over." To me this is the key quote in the he said she said LA Times story. In Kansas and Ohio there are many who refuse to separate truth from fiction and faith from education.

23 Comments:

Blogger The Late Mitchell Warren said...

Interestingly, my new blog evolved by itself. I take it your blog evolved as well--it's interesting how forums, blogs and other internet media forms just sort of happen without any sign up, registration, or any even consent from individual users.

I googled my name and found a blog named after me, written by me, that I didn't even start. Apparently when Google searches a person's name, thanks to new internet technology, it automatically creates spin off websites and webpages based on already cached content.

Surely you must agree with my evolving webpage theory. After all a blog site is such a primitive and simple design, not to be compared with pay websites which feature java and shockwave animation. There's no legitimate reason to believe it didn't all just spring up by chance.

4:45 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

You need to study Mitchell. Bone up on evolutionary theory and we'll talk.

5:25 PM  
Blogger Peter L. Winkler said...

The problem with creationists such as Mr. Mitchell is that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

And Mr Mitchell, critiques of evolutionary theory don't constitute an iota of proof for creationism. You need a positive to prove a positive, and there is absolutely no empirical evidence for the existence of God or divine creation.

9:14 PM  
Anonymous john said...

science can't explain creation any better than creationism.

11:15 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Well John that's the last piece of the puzzle. It spelled JOHN.

Here's your sign.

10:03 AM  
Blogger The Late Mitchell Warren said...

I briefly studied evolutionary theory in school, and while I'm not as educated as Mr. York And Company on the subject, this is the problem I had in putting faith in science.

While evolution can theorize how man evolved from lower life forms, it cannot seem to explain what triggered the whole process. It leaves the complexity and organization of life up to pure chance, without cause. So what a single discharge of energy randomly happened somewhere, and molecules in collision somehow produced life. Somehow, lifeless matter moved, became organized, and eventually started living--all without any directed assistance.

Of course the laws of physics, energy and matter always existed. Who created the formulas and the mathematics behind it? Nobody! they simply always have been. We substitute chance for cause. We came to be out of pure luck.

I'm not preaching God here--I'm merely saying it takes blind faith to believe either scenario. You either believe in a spirit creature with no beginning, or an unknown cause aka pure chance that somehow brought about a civilization of existential human beings each with the ability to become scientists or pulpit pounders. Of course no scientist has ever personally witnessed a lower life form evolve into a human being. But they just know it's the truth! Your faith is great, my friend.

Evolutionists cite a lot of subsidiary facts in their argument, but to this day society has not labeled evolution as a fact. It remains a theory.

12:41 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Cliche my friend. A theory in science IS a fact. It has to be in roder achieve theory level recognition.

Of course no scientist has ever personally witnessed a lower life form evolve into a human being. But they just know it's the truth! Your faith is great, my friend."

There's no faith in science. It's testable. Natural selection has been tested and it passes every time. Lower life forms have indeed been witnessed in the fossil record. Transition species; the Panda's Thumb; reverse evolution by whales from land back to sea. The evidence is irretutable.

When you get out beyond the big bang no one knows about the void. That much is true but biologists don't try to answer that question.

4:36 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

As for chance, if the die was cast again as it no doubt is someplace out there, it wouldn't turn out like this. It's always a one time shot from what we can tell from the evidence.

4:38 PM  
Anonymous john said...

Cliche my friend. A theory in science IS a fact. It has to be in roder achieve theory level recognition.

That's great logic, mark... although the theory was once accepted that the sun revolved around the earth. Do scientific facts change over time?

5:12 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Yes they do. Unlike dogma which stays the same regardless of what new facts say. Science is open to new discoveries and the idea at the start is to disprove the theory. Evolution is not open to debate with great leaps of logic and faith-based bridges. Those don't past the scratch test.

5:25 PM  
Anonymous john said...

Yes they do.

Hahaha! That was supposed to be a rhetorical question, mark, but thanks for being an easy target.

facts are immutable. if a theory is disproven, it was not factual.

commence backpedaling, in 3...2...1...

5:46 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

I'm afraid John you actually are as dumb as you seem. No backpeddling needed here. You're just too ignorant of the subject matter to participate intelligently.

7:24 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

That's a begging the question fallacy.

7:28 PM  
Anonymous john said...

that's an ad hominem attack. touche?

2:07 AM  
Anonymous john said...

all theories are not facts. this is proven every time a theory is disproved.

2:07 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Circular logic isn't helpful.

8:31 AM  
Anonymous john said...

hmm... how can i correctly phrase this so that you will admit when you are incorrect...

all facts can be proven true.
some theories can be proven untrue, therefore some theories are not facts.

too bad you have so much trouble recognizing truth. but then again, that is the leftist trademark.

12:55 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

You don't get it. In science a theory is a close to an absolute fact as there is. By the time a theory reaches that point it's unlikely to be disproven. A collection of facts is different than one specific fact. You're playing winger word games and failing as usual.

9:37 AM  
Anonymous Keith said...

Let's see... how many major, generally accepted scientific theories have been disproven in the last 50 years...

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe that number would be none. None theories disproven.

Creationist boneheads pick on the word "theory" as though they're making any real point, not just doing the Bonehead Mating Dance for other boneheads.

Dance, boneheads! Dance!

2:39 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

That's about the size of it Keith.

4:46 PM  
Anonymous john said...

Let's see... how many major, generally accepted scientific theories have been disproven in the last 50 years...

mark, since you love logical fallacies so much, are you going to call BS here, or shall i? or is it not a fallacy if you agree with it?

12:53 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

How many John?

8:54 AM  
Anonymous john said...

fine, I will. an appeal to popularity is not a valid argument. If no major scientific theories have been disproven in the last 50 years, does that show that all theories are facts? No, it does not. What's the difference between asking that question today and asking it in 1635?

1:12 AM  

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