Hear No Evil
"If you want to know about science, ask a scientist. If you want to know about faith, ask a minister," said Robert Hagen, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Kansas. "If I were to go into that hearing and tell them why the 'science' of intelligent design is wrong, I'd have to get into such detail that most people would just glaze over." To me this is the key quote in the he said she said LA Times story. In Kansas and Ohio there are many who refuse to separate truth from fiction and faith from education.
posted by Mark at 3:53 PM
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You need to study Mitchell. Bone up on evolutionary theory and we'll talk.
The problem with creationists such as Mr. Mitchell is that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.
And Mr Mitchell, critiques of evolutionary theory don't constitute an iota of proof for creationism. You need a positive to prove a positive, and there is absolutely no empirical evidence for the existence of God or divine creation.
science can't explain creation any better than creationism.
Well John that's the last piece of the puzzle. It spelled JOHN.
Here's your sign.
Cliche my friend. A theory in science IS a fact. It has to be in roder achieve theory level recognition.
Of course no scientist has ever personally witnessed a lower life form evolve into a human being. But they just know it's the truth! Your faith is great, my friend."
There's no faith in science. It's testable. Natural selection has been tested and it passes every time. Lower life forms have indeed been witnessed in the fossil record. Transition species; the Panda's Thumb; reverse evolution by whales from land back to sea. The evidence is irretutable.
When you get out beyond the big bang no one knows about the void. That much is true but biologists don't try to answer that question.
As for chance, if the die was cast again as it no doubt is someplace out there, it wouldn't turn out like this. It's always a one time shot from what we can tell from the evidence.
Cliche my friend. A theory in science IS a fact. It has to be in roder achieve theory level recognition.
That's great logic, mark... although the theory was once accepted that the sun revolved around the earth. Do scientific facts change over time?
Yes they do. Unlike dogma which stays the same regardless of what new facts say. Science is open to new discoveries and the idea at the start is to disprove the theory. Evolution is not open to debate with great leaps of logic and faith-based bridges. Those don't past the scratch test.
Yes they do.
Hahaha! That was supposed to be a rhetorical question, mark, but thanks for being an easy target.
facts are immutable. if a theory is disproven, it was not factual.
commence backpedaling, in 3...2...1...
I'm afraid John you actually are as dumb as you seem. No backpeddling needed here. You're just too ignorant of the subject matter to participate intelligently.
That's a begging the question fallacy.
that's an ad hominem attack. touche?
all theories are not facts. this is proven every time a theory is disproved.
Circular logic isn't helpful.
hmm... how can i correctly phrase this so that you will admit when you are incorrect...
all facts can be proven true.
some theories can be proven untrue, therefore some theories are not facts.
too bad you have so much trouble recognizing truth. but then again, that is the leftist trademark.
You don't get it. In science a theory is a close to an absolute fact as there is. By the time a theory reaches that point it's unlikely to be disproven. A collection of facts is different than one specific fact. You're playing winger word games and failing as usual.
Let's see... how many major, generally accepted scientific theories have been disproven in the last 50 years...
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe that number would be none. None theories disproven.
Creationist boneheads pick on the word "theory" as though they're making any real point, not just doing the Bonehead Mating Dance for other boneheads.
Dance, boneheads! Dance!
That's about the size of it Keith.
Let's see... how many major, generally accepted scientific theories have been disproven in the last 50 years...
mark, since you love logical fallacies so much, are you going to call BS here, or shall i? or is it not a fallacy if you agree with it?
How many John?
fine, I will. an appeal to popularity is not a valid argument. If no major scientific theories have been disproven in the last 50 years, does that show that all theories are facts? No, it does not. What's the difference between asking that question today and asking it in 1635?
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