Sunday, August 06, 2006

Smoking Kills

I just read a blog comment thread where a guerilla conservative who has unfortunately acquired lung cancer, after raining insults on a poster he doesn't like said he was descended from a small rodent. [We all are] But a sign off of "put that cancer stick in the your face and smoke it," was offensive for someone who smoked himself into cancer in the first place. Who could know that for certain? We know now. Truth is tough and not allowed on the Internet as if we needed more evidence of this. Well, pardon the obvious medical connection. Is it any wonder this individual doesn't buy global warming? And Ann Coulter doesn't buy evolution? Not to me. I believe Coulter smokes too. Her day is coming and it's her own fault as in this case.


Blogger Woody said...

York, it's interesting that you hold Ann Coulter personally responsible for the consequences of her actions but blame Bush and others for your employment and financial disappointments.

Why wouldn't you think that your comment about a cancer stick to someone fighting cancer would be offensive? After all, aren't you the same one who took great offense at an mild and innocent comment on homosexuality? It seems that your direct and intended reference was designed to hurt.

Get some help.

6:47 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

First of all I don't blame Bush for any of my personal failings. What there are of them. I'm working at the moment in government albeit another temp gig. I would add as exhibit A that I worked for Bush twice during these two terms, so let's get that winger fallacy out of the way right off the bat.

Wingnuts like you and your looney mistress are anti-science. You declare psuedo-science real in your politically twisted and ignorant minds and factually-based theories false because you're afraid of reality. Tough titty as the saying goes.

"Nicotine is not addictive." I wonder which side they voted for? If roper was stupid enough to smoke up to the time he was diagnosed with cancer I'm afraid by the laws of biology, not mine he did it to himself. Of course how was Publius to know Roper smoked? Dana Reeves didn't and yet died from lung cancer. It does happen. There are no rewards for the stupid in this world save in politics if you come from the right family. Publius's comment was a modification of a tag from a previous insult by roper of which there have been many. I don't smoke. Anyone who does just beacuse they didn't get the memo is a fool. I can't alter reality. Buck it up soldier, the thread is about dead bodies of Lebanese children, but they're fake to you. You'd rather attack Reuters over one photographers touch up. What a sick idiot.

8:03 AM  
Blogger Woody said...

Concerned about dead children? Do what I do. Demand that Hezbollah give up and let the citizens of Lebanon get their lives back in order.

On the science, there is a connection between claims that a second ice age was coming in the 1970's and claims today that we have global warming primarily caused by man (and that we can really make an impact to correct it.) Those claims are being made by the same nuts. We've been burned before. This time we need proof--and, not pictures of an iceberg breaking off.

I'm not going to continue to address your remarks about Roper and cancer. In my first comment I said to get some help. Based on your response, you're beyond help.

2:06 PM  
Blogger GM Roper said...

York, you can wrap this in any way you want, you are still a vile loathsome creature and you ought to be sincerely ashamed of yourself. I doubt that you are however; and your charade of "not being" publius is beneath contempt. You might want to know that Dana Reeves and I have the exact same diagnosis and exactly the same type of cancer (by cell type). You are a foul mouthed sick puppy and you need to get help.

4:30 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

No there isn't. What you are is stuck on stupid. Keep reciting the myth of global cooling and the other wingnut bingo fallacies ad nauseum. They're still wrong after the nth time. You're beyond help. Screw you and goat your rode in non Flat-earther. What you are is a boat anchor. Dead weight.

4:35 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Roper it is you that is your own worst enemy. Reeve never smoked. Apparently you did until the diagnosis. Bad move. I had no idea you smoked? I would have advised against that, but ignoring real science is your MO. This time it may be fatal. Biology knows no politics. You can blame me for your own obtusness, and denialist lifestle but alas, it is you alone that must pay the price. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is. That's why I tossed tobacco 35 years ago. Compare nad contrast the two decisions. You do have my sympathy even if you show none for others.

4:42 PM  
Blogger Ogre said...

Wow. What a piece of work you are, Mark. Do you hang around the orphan wards and make fun of the kids there with no parents, too? I bet you go to old-folks homes and play games on the Alzheimer's patients for entertainment. You're certainly an example of true evil in humankind.

5:38 PM  
Blogger Big Dog said...

If there was no concern for a new ice age in the 70s, why did Time have a big story about it with all the scientists in agreement? Global Warming is a theory and it has not been proven despite people like AlGore making movies. If you want to do something to help then perhaps you can stop talking.

As for the remarks about Roper, I expect nothing less from moonbats. When Dick Cheney goes to the hospital they all hope he dies and whenever there is a conservative in poor health they throw a party. When Ms. Edwards was diagnosed with cancer the "NEOCONS" I know prayed for her. Guess what, they said a prayer for Clinton when he had a bypass. Moonbats do not care about life, that is why they are all for abortion. The more people that die (especially from the right) the fewer they have to worry about messing up the planet. Fortunately, the libs get most of the abortions so in the next generation or so we should se a drastic decrease in their numbers.

For those of you who believe in evolution, that will be survival of the fittest.

Roper smoked and got sick. Did you make the same nasty kinds of comments about Bubba Clinton when he had his heart surgery? He caused the problem by eating all that fattening food. Probably not because you are fairly ignorant and disgusting. But since you are all about holding people accountable for their actions, how about we see a post about some homosexual who contracts AIDS (the next famous one). Perhaps you can deride that person for making a lifestyle choice that caused his sickness. The facts are there, AIDS is mostly passed through homosexual sex. I will wait for that post, just to see your fairness.

5:56 PM  
Blogger Raven said...

Get your facts straight before you spew out common misconceptions. It doesn't take a lot of research to see what you have said to be false. So the nurse here needs to respond to this nonsense.

All cancers are described by their cell size. Smoking is a cause of lung cancer, but not THE only cause. Many life long smokers have developed cancers that have no relation to smoking; many non-smokers have developed cancers that smokers get. There is no set standard for this.

Lung cancers-ONLY 20% are caused by smoking. That is a fact well known in the medical community. It isn't talked about alot because doctors don't want more people to think it's OK to smoke.

Small cell lung cancer comprises about 20% of all lung cancers and is strongly associated with smoking. Small cell lung cancer usually starts in the central portion of the airways and spreads rapidly to other organs. Because of the nature of early spread in this disease surgery is not generally a treatment option. Small cell lung cancer is usually treated with chemotherapy. Small cell cancers are also caused by exposures to uranium, asbestos and radon; also, exposure to nickel, copper, chromium and cadmium (typically seen in those who worked as miners)are associated with this type of lung cancer.

Non-small cell lung cancer accounts for 80% of all lung cancers. There are three main sub-types of NSCLC: adenocarcinoma (40% of all lung cancers), squamous cell type (30% of all lung cancers), large cell type (10% of all lung cancers). Even though the non-small cell comprises of different cell types, they usually show a similar behavior and are mostly treated in a similar way. Compared to small cell lung cancer, NSCLC is late to spread to other organs. If NSCLC is diagnosed at an early stage, surgery may be an option which will give a chance of cure. If the NSCLC is not surgically removable, surgery may be attempted after administration of chemotherapy with or without radiation therapy. Peripheral adenocarcinoma (PAC) and bronchioloalveolar carcinoma (BAC) are forms of lung cancer whose cause is not completely known and whose link to either main stream tobacco smoking or second hand smoking has not be proven. Non small-cell lung cancer is often seen in younger people, those who have never smoked or been exposed to other known carcingens, as well as older people.

My 23 yr daughter just got through a bout with NSCLC. Friend and popular blogger Beth (MVRWC) had this form of cancer as well.
My x husband's Mother had this as well- 23 yrs ago when the treatments were not as aggressive and she died because of that.
None of these people ever smoked. Dana Reeve had one of the NSCLC as well. Along with roughly 80% of those who have been DX with lung cancer in the past year (and every year since the staging and cell size ID standards came into worldwide use, about 40 yrs ago)

6:10 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Are you actually saying Roper's smoking up to diagnosis is irrelevant? Go back to nursing school lady. My friend's cousin did the same thing. A nurse defends smoking, news at 11. I feel sorry for you and anyone in your care. Smoke em if you gottem we need the room.

6:31 PM  
Blogger Raven said...

No Mark. Read what I wrote. I didn't say that at all.

GM has been DX with the form of lung cancer that is not related to smoking. Like it or not, this happens often. Why? I cannot answer that. Do I encourage people to smoke? No. But facts are facts.

Smoking causes many health issues- no doubt about it. Emphysema,chronic pulmonary diseases,pancreatic cancer- all directly caused by smoking, and all are known killers. Smoking is not a good thing.

You are a cruel person. To write this post shows me just how rude and obnoxious liberals really are. You're supposed to have empathy and supposed to have a kindler, gentler nature towards your fellow human being. I used to be like you- a liberal, a democrat. Until I saw how the hyprocracy of you all. This post you wrote here is a perfect example of how you people truly are.
Please post the comments from the others too- that are waiting for your approval. Don't be a wimp- the other trademark of liberals.

6:43 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Wimp? How dare you come here and insult me. Roper has bad genetics. Many do but I don't happen to one them. We live a long time. My dad just died. He was 85 and a homosexual. He never contacted the HIV virus that devops into AIDS. Many don't. Smoking kills. Call off the cretins. Wingnuts are trogodytic flat-earth neanderthals as this thread will attest. By the way I will be looking up that statistic. Wingers are known to skew facts in their favor.

6:50 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

The data say all forms are associated with smoking. I've posted the real info . Yours is wingnut propaganda. Quite sommon for that social group that tends not to believe science, but in faith and hocus pocus. This will and does always fail.

7:31 PM  
Blogger GM Roper said...

"Wimp? How dare you come here and insult me.

Bwahahahaha... York, you do that to other blogs all the time, that is what gets you banned so often. Wow, I also notice you have more hits on this thread then you have ever had... notariety, it's whats for dinner!

7:33 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

You stupid wingnut son of a bitch. Fuck you. Read the next post you dumb cracker. Wingnut statistics won't save you. The idea of the lies you people believe?

7:36 PM  
Blogger Jeffery said...

Mark, how pretentious of you to say that cancer is a person's own fault. What do you tell people who never smoked that get lung cancer? Or women that's had a miscarriage who developed breast cancer? Do you preach to them about how it's their fault for getting pregnant by a weak man?

In fact, approximately 1 out of four people smoke, yet nearly 50% of men will get cancer, 35% of women will get cancer. Cancer is the leading cause of death by disease in children ages 1-14. In fact, 3 out of four families will be affected by cancer.

So from this Republican, please keep making fun of people who have cancer, especially while promoting Democrat policies. People like you are too often Republicans greatest ally.

6:43 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Well Jeffrey as Republican you also have a tin ear for science. Anyone who still smokes with all the information out there now, albeit with no help from the likes of you, is a friggin idiot. You suffer from Roper's other disease: obtuseness and the use of fallacious reasoning illustrated here. While there are other factors that contribute to cancer. The #1 killer is lung cancer and the #1 cause is smoking. Anomalies, look it up are what you cited. Roper killed himself like they all do. Ignore reality at your own peril.

4:54 PM  
Blogger Kender said...

I understand your not letting my first comment through, as I ripped you a new one.......

But let me ask you, do you have teh balls to call one of the shows?

I bet not.

Especially after the following comment you left:

"You stupid wingnut son of a bitch. Fuck you. Read the next post you dumb cracker. Wingnut statistics won't save you. The idea of the lies you people believe?"

You are a foul mouthed little man with no self esteem, no courage, and no integrity.

Just in case you get hold of a bottle of hooch out of your moms underwear drawer while she is having her feet shined up by the local horseshoer teh number is 1=888-407-1776 little man....

what a coward you are

8:18 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

This will be forwarded to the FBI pal. Cyberstalking is a crime. Want a little fire scarecrow? You just got it. Good news. You can smoke in a federal penetentiary in the yard once a week. The rest of the time you can dream about it. Now Fuck off before I get pissed.

4:39 AM  
Blogger Romeocat said...

"Cyberstalking"???? Oh, pull the other one! Geeze, blogs are all about conversation, debate and discussion, this is hardly cyberstalking!

Now, of course, it is highly questionable as to whether your blog actually promotes informed discussion. As for you getting "pissed" - how would we discern the difference? You throw ad hominem attacks all over the place, you use vile language and base insults, and you ignore common courtesy. You do this right from the beginning, so it appears to me that you already live in eternal "pissedness." Of course, your blog, your rules - but I see nothing here to give YOU any credibility.

I'm glad I stand with people who actually have class and honor - they are far more encouraging and informative than you, with your disgusting attitudes which would shame the lowest guttersnipe.

-- Kat

5:50 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Oh really? let's see Roper claims he wouldn't be surprised if "someone didn't pound my head in for spite." That would be an inference of a physical act of violence against me. Count 1. Then Kender Count 2. who lives somwhere near me and says so, wants to meet with me for "coffee," followed by a long satirical insult I rejected but posted for others to see elsewhere. That's a threat.

My "credibility" is listed on this site. You don't see it for lack of trying. I mean it's easier to insult isn't it? You know I never insult people first, but I certainly attack back when hit by a cybermob. Open comments don't mean license to lie and attack personally. Context with you people rarely has any meaning so the initial attack by Roper will be ignored in favor of the response. That won't make it any less true. Lack of character, bigotry and ignorance are the trademarks of your group.

4:53 PM  

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